BAR Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

I thought I'd put together a few of the more commonly asked questions here in a small document.


  1. With two races run together, how are points scored?
  2. I was the first VCA rider across the line. Why didn't I get points for first place?
  3. Why did I get points for 4th in the last time trial when I finished 2nd?
  4. I got no points for a race. Why?
  5. How are those team points awarded?
  6. What's up with Mens, Womens, and Juniors Team score?
  7. Why don't I show up in my teams scoring?
  8. Masters races - 5 year or 10 year scoring?
  9. State champ events are worth 1.5 times the points? Why didn't I get 1.5 times?
  10. My results are not in the BAR or the race results?
  11. My question isn't here. What's next?

  1. With two races run together, how are points scored?

    According to last years BAR rules, points were given to the top 15 riders regardless of category or age. Points were then placed in the riders appropriate age or category. This year, with the adoption of the Local Association, points will always be broken into respective categories and points awarded from there.

    For example, if a race is a 40/50 race, points will be awarded for 40-44, 45-49, 50-54 and 55-59. So if you're the first rider across the line who is age 55, you will get first for 55+.

  2. I was the first VCA rider across the line. Why didn't I get points for first place?

    Remember, the BAR is open to anyone regardless of team or where they reside. So if you finished 10th, you get points for 10th.

  3. Why did I get points for 4th in the last time trial when I finished 2nd?

    For a Time Trial, the posted results will be reordered to fit the BAR categories exactly. For example, a TT might list category 1 and 2 separately for prizes. But the BAR category is Cat 1/2. So the times will be taken a arranged so that results match the BAR category, then points are given from there.

  4. I got no points for a race. Why?

    One of the most common reasons for not getting any BAR points is your name isn't on the results. Check here for the results of the race. If your name isn't on the results, then obviously you "officially" didn't place. By the time I post results on the website, they have been "official" for days. You should have checked the results on race day.

    If you did show up on the results, then a possibility is that you're new to racing or new to the area and I know nothing about you. This is especially true if you did a race than spans multiple categories, for example 40+/50+. If you suspect this, send me your name, hometown and racing category or age and I'll get your points to you ASAP.

    If your name is there and you still don't have points, send me an

  5. How are those team points awarded?

    The computation of team points is not easy to explain so let's just look at an example.

    For each category in the BAR (i.e. 30, 35, 40, etc) the top three riders from each team are taken. Those points are added together to form the team score for that category.

    For example, the 30 BAR looks like this: 

      Joe Rider	Team XYZ	64 points
Fred Biker	Team ABC	54 points
Abe Pedeler	Team XYZ	24 points
Art Jones	Team ABC	12 points
Mike Smith	Team QWE	10 points
Bill Johnson	Team XYZ	8 points
John Smith	Team XYZ	5 points

    So, for the team BAR, the top three riders in a category are taken. So taking the top three riders of each team in 30+ category, we get Team XYZ = 64 + 24 + 8 = 96 points, Team ABC = 54 + 12 = 66 points, and Team QWE = 10 points.

    Notice that John Smith was placed fourth for his team and therefore his points do no count in the team BAR.

    This is done for each category and all points from each category form the team score.

  6. What's up with Mens, Womens, and Juniors Team score?

    It was decided at this years Annual meeting, scoring for teams would also be broken out into Mens, Womens, and Juniors team scoring.

    Scoring for each of the sub-categories is done exactly like the overall team score. The scoring is done as follows:

    • Mens score = Cat 1/2 + Cat 3 + Cat 4 + Cat 5 + Junior Men + Masters Men
    • Junior score = Junior Men + Junior Women
    • Women score = Women 1/2/3 + Women 4 + Junior Women + Women 40+

  7. Why don't I show up in my teams scoring?

    Remember, according to the BAR rules only the top three riders from each team in a category score points for team. So if you're a member of a large team and there are more than three people in your category, you might not score team points.

    To check this, go to the Team BAR page and click the link for your team in the Overall Team Results. Check to see how many people are listed in your category. Now check your points in that category. Do you have more points that the three listed? Probably not.

  8. Masters races - 5 year or 10 year scoring?

    Things will be much simpler this year. This year we are going to require that all flyers specifically state the BAR categories. This will remove all doubt as to the BAR categories.

  9. State champ events are worth 1.5 times the points? Why didn't I get 1.5 times?

    State Championship events are indeed worth 1.5 times the points - the RR is worth two times the points.

    Since the state championship events are usually broken into two parts (age-graded and senior), only the races within the event that are actually the championship races get the extra points. Essentially, if medals were awarded in the race, it should receive the extra points.

  10. My results are not in the BAR or the race results?

    Race results become final fifteen (15) minutes are the results are posted the day of the race. DO NOT email me and ask me to change the results. I cannot change results. If you feel that the results are wrong, email the promoter of the race. If they made an error, they will let me know to change the results.

  11. My question isn't here. What's next?

    with your question and I'll answer it. Then you might even see your question here :-).